ygritte 9 hours ago

Broadcom fucked up the VMWare products but good. No more products for individuals, and the enterprise cloud is losing customers.

  • mitjam 7 hours ago

    It was easy to miss between all the back and forth, but VMware Workstation and VMware Fusion are now free for all users, including for commercial use [1], and since last month, ESXi is also free, again [2].

    [1] https://blogs.vmware.com/cloud-foundation/2024/11/11/vmware-...

    [2] https://knowledge.broadcom.com/external/article/399823/vmwar...

    • asimops 6 hours ago

      I have seen [1] a long time ago. But AFAIK until this day, the Workstation installer still asks whether you are either a private user or have a license key... So is it really free?

  • SOLAR_FIELDS 7 hours ago

    Two of my family members built a good hunk of their careers on VMware products. This is the poster child story for why to not put all of your eggs in a single closed source basket.

    • crinkly 7 hours ago

      Yep. One of my colleagues went all in on Crowdstrike a couple of years back. That went hilariously badly for him due to obvious reasons.

      • SirFatty 7 hours ago

        Not hilarious to him I bet..

        • crinkly 6 hours ago

          Well we warned him. He got paid to set it up and then paid to get rid of it so it went rather well for him but not in the way he though it was going to. Plenty of time to roll out a plan B which worked out better for him anyway.

    • mitjam 7 hours ago

      Same here, but I jumped ship to cloud, Kubernetes & Co. some years ago. I know many who still live well on VMware products, even if they are just busy migrating workloads to other platforms.

  • v5v3 5 hours ago

    VMware's VM products are on way out as enterprises are all Kubernetes with containers or serverles functions and this will natural trickle down.

    I suspect the strategy is to extract maximum cash whilst they can.

    • Incipient 5 hours ago

      I deal, with mid size (200-800) people and there is no k8s or serverless to be seen anywhere.

      Personally I don't have a huge amount of experience with either, so I'm possibly a bit biased, but I see k8s as either a hyperscale solution or someone wanting to be cool and trendy.

      Same goes for serverless, other than niche use cases of say running python code in a 100% Azure ecosystem when you just have absolutely zero other choice.

      • v5v3 4 hours ago

        That's why I used the term trickle down, meaning in time.

        It may not be k8s as we know it today, but many SMEs are most certainly using containers, via Docker.

        Ultimately containers use less resources than a full VM and allow dependency management.

        VMs is a reducing business.

  • nikanj 9 hours ago

    Increasing price five-fold and losing three out of four customers still means you come out ahead revenue-wise, and your internal costs probably go down as you have so many fewer customers to support

    • blibble 7 hours ago

      it's not a sustainable approach, because every single one of the customers you've "retained" will be looking to dump you as soon as possible

      • buran77 6 hours ago

        > it's not a sustainable approach

        For the current Broadcom leadership this doesn't have to be sustainable, just bring in enough of a profit to justify the whole thing. They do not want a slow and steady profit stream but a big squeeze and done. I bet they got what they hoped for.

      • le-mark 7 hours ago

        Some percentage of customers can’t leave if they want to. The ones who have laid off and cost cut to such a level they can no longer undertake projects to move to another virtualization environment. I’m at one such company. The staff we have now couldn’t do it in a year, or even two.

        • nottorp 6 hours ago

          > The staff we have now couldn’t do it in a year, or even two.

          You're talking like two years is long term...

      • nikanj 6 hours ago

        It’s like oil drilling, completely unsustainable but great money to be made short-term. It just needs to be milkable long enough to make more money than the acquisition price

    • digitalsushi 7 hours ago

      what happens to a software product when it has a small fraction of the original users? all that free testing as customer support shifts to someone else's platform, eventually

      but i think the 'eventually' is the reason this is working for them

    • benterix 8 hours ago

      Sounds like an interesting exit strategy.

ahofmann 10 hours ago

It is always funny to read something like this: "[..] the telco, one of Germany's largest [..]"

There are effectively only three mobile providers in Germany. 1&1 is the fourth, but its network doesn't even cover the whole country. From those three networks, Telefonica is the smallest by quite a margin. So the sentence in the article is technically correct, but draws a nonsensical picture.

  • kalleboo 7 hours ago

    Ignoring MVNOs, are there are any other countries that have more than 4 nationwide mobile networks? I think the US has (had?) a handful of regional carriers that survived on domestic roaming but everywhere else I've visited typically has 3 networks competing, maybe a 4th smaller network, often a newer startup (e.g. Free in France, Rakuten in Japan, in the 2000's it was Three/Hutchinson taking this role using newly-opened UMTS licenses).

    • Tijdreiziger 4 hours ago

      The Netherlands actually explicitly set aside spectrum in the 4G auctions to be auctioned off to new market entrants (besides the established T-Mobile, Vodafone, and KPN), leading to the entry of Tele2 (until then an MVNO) and Ziggo/UPC (until then cable ISPs and MVNOs) into the market.

      However, a few years down the line, Tele2 ended up in a merger with T-Mobile (now Odido), and Ziggo/UPC/Vodafone went through mergers to end up as VodafoneZiggo.

    • toast0 5 hours ago

      US used to have Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Cingular and ATT. There was an active roaming agreement in at least California for T-Mobile and ATT so they shared coverage there, but otherwise pretty much 5 national networks before the ATT T-1000 reformed, and Sprint died.

      I've seen some countries where they had three established GSM networks and then someone starts repurposinf their CDMA network for mobile handsets, but it had been built and operating for years for fixed wireless, phone lines for houses without wires.

  • fundatus 8 hours ago

    > Telefonica is the smallest by quite a margin

    That is only true if you count M2M sim cards. Looking at regular postpaid contracts, the picture is actually quite different:

    Deutsche Telekom: 26.8m customers

    Telefonica: 26.2m customers

    Vodafone: 19.3m customers

  • ctm92 9 hours ago

    Telefonica is the one with the worst coverage of the big threes. But they allow every Discount provider to use their network, so cost-sensitive people will mostly be on their network. Telekom and Vodafone have some discounters on their network, but it's not much more than a handful.

    • tirant 9 hours ago

      In general, phone coverage in Germany is subpar, no matter what provider you choose. The country has too many anti-5G people with too much power to stop or delay projects.

      • lxgr 5 hours ago

        Germany's comparatively bad 5G coverage is an infrastructure problem and has ~nothing to do with anti-5G sentiments.

        Just look at the parallels in wired broadband, which are equally lacking behind some European peers.

      • asimops 6 hours ago

        What does 5G have to do with coverage? LTE 800mhz can give you the same coverage as 5G 700mhz

        • esseph 5 hours ago

          It's not about coverage, it's about conspiracy theories.

  • belter 8 hours ago

    They would be if they did not spend all that money on Broadcom licenses....

Havoc 8 hours ago

Did Broadcom make a conscious decision to burn the brand to the ground for a once off payoff?

  • carlhjerpe 7 hours ago

    Note that Broadcom is trading as AVGO because Broadcom went the same faith as VMware, bought by Avago and turned to shit for short term gains

  • belter 8 hours ago

    They saw Oracle become gentle and soft with age, and they decided to aim for the post of most hated company in the world. My money is still on Oracle keeping the title, as they have lots of practice, but its nice to have a challenger.

    • nisegami 8 hours ago

      Microsoft is the company who should hold the title as far as the tech giants are concerned.

      • anonymars 7 hours ago

        What makes them worse than the above?

ojosilva 10 hours ago

Broadcom learned fast from the Computer Associates book of antics "How to bully and squeeze every dollar out of your enterprise clients on renewals"

trebligdivad 8 hours ago

Spinnaker claims to do security support - how do they do that if they don't have licenses from Broadcom?

znpy 10 hours ago

I don't understand this article.

Assuming the "spinnaker" it talks about is https://spinnaker.io/ how does it translate the move from virtualization to deployment?

Is it being implied that Telefònica Germany is moving to the cloud, and dismissing its vmware license (and hardware, and datacenter stuff) ? Was Telefonica running vSphere on the Managed VMWare offering on AWS?

Don't get me wrong, I loathe BroadCom as much as the next guy, but this article isn't very informative.

  • mindcrash an hour ago

    > Assuming the "spinnaker" it talks about is https://spinnaker.io/ how does it translate the move from virtualization to deployment?

    VMware does _a lot_ more than just virtualization these days. This most likely has something to do with Tanzu Platform for Cloud Foundry or just Tanzu, which does provide CI/CD services.

    Which they likely migrated to Spinnaker and vanilla Kubernetes.

  • jannes 8 hours ago

    They will continue using the perpetual VMware licenses.

    This article is just about buying support from another provider.

  • bayindirh 10 hours ago

    It supports Kubernetes, so they might slowly migrate their VMs to Kubernetes pods step by step, and maybe move some of their services to the cloud (and maybe running that Oracle workloads on cloud, already).

    This makes sense for the "bidders" part of the article. They need to slowly transform things and slowly desert/transform systems.